Think its junk. If there is no submission attempts or tko. Ref has got to break it up...if not, the fighter in top is just resting on top. Arching a breathe...buzzkill jon mcarthy =lame. No wonder why he don't ref in the UFC

John McCarthy is one of the best, if not the best, refs in UFC history. He refed there since the beginning, and was the head ref at one point. Trust me, as much as I hate "lay 'n pray" it's part of the game. You don't need a sub attempt or TKO to keep it on the ground. There are multiple other reasons to keep it on the ground such as advancing, position, wrestling, JJ, etc... Whoever is on there back should learn some take down defense, you hardly see GSP or Fedor on their backs. Another thing is a lot of wrestlers usually start out this way to get their feet wet in the Octagon. Take Josh Koshcheck for example. He used to be a lay and pray guy, and was damn good at it, but now he's knocking people out left and right. This is one of the reasons Pride was such a better and more exciting organization, if the fighters wouldn't engage, or decided to "lay 'n pray", they would be penalized 10% of their purse.

yea i understand the lay n pray but come on the last 23 fights that he reffed were in consistent ...in the clinch with arlovski n silva he broke it up within seconds...on the ground, with not trying to pass gaurd, controlling the position .....nothing but taking a breathe with no action ....COME ON! big john!.. king mo did nothing but take a breathe, jake shields at least tried to sub...but he too taking breaths.....yeah n pride was cool..with the card...thats why Dream/ M1 challenge, Sengoku refs are much better...but give it up to HERB and Rosenthal ....john <---- lame ...i am a pro MMA fighter out of vv, CA i train with alot of wrestlers and BJJ guys.....i do understand the game